Transcript: The Road to ECS - S2 E10: Adam Harmetz

Welcome, everybody, and we're back with the Road to ECS episode ten. And I just learned that that is the last episode before ECS. Today, we are back with an awesome guest. Adam, you've been around the blog for quite some time. I don't know exactly how many years you've been, but since I've been around, you've been around SharePoint attached in some role. How about you tell us a few words about who you are, what you do today, and maybe a little bit about where you came from, journey over the years? Yeah, fantastic. Good to talk to you all today. It'll be my first time at ECS, but I had heard about it from so many people, so I am really excited to be going this year. Last August, I celebrated twenty years at Microsoft. I joined right out of college. I could tell you two stories. I could say I worked on SharePoint all twenty years, or I could tell you I jumped around. Both are somewhat true. I started out in the office org at the end of a three-year release cycle. as a product manager, sort of watching debts fix bugs for a year. Learned what it was like to ship a huge amount of software and code all on the same day. On a team called Document Lifecycle, totally working with SharePoint, but from the perspective of those Office, Word, Excel, PowerPoint clients. Helped what is now a forty billion dollar business, the security and compliance part of the company, sort of from ground floor, from zero, back when it was nothing. That's where I sort of cut my teeth. as a product manager during the cloud area, sort of deep in the bowels of SharePoint on the backend, authentication, provisioning, and then for the past decade or so, I guess, because it's been ten years since the modern SharePoint unveiled, you know, just helping the SharePoint product strategy, content management portals, internets, automations, and the UX, you know, partnering deeply with our design team on bringing the UX of SharePoint forward and its overall product strategy. uh some adjacent products you know teams came along during that time frame viva uh other things that have been on working with those products so that's you know that's been my uh that's been my journey and today i you know i think about sharepoint i think about enterprise agents i think about ai transformation and then equally important how to bring the core ux of sharepoint along you you just you just stole my next question that means like but i think um especially From the other side, okay, Valdek switched to the Microsoft side in the meantime. But from the other side, Valdek and me were also in the SharePoint story pretty much as a side. And when I think of it, my first version of SharePoint was in two thousand three. So I skipped two thousand one. A lot of people told me that I dodged the ballot. I think the team rewrote most of it between two thousand one and two thousand three. We're still debating databases twenty five years later, but I think the whole database switch between those two versions. I actually went into it in two thousand and three after the merging of Microsoft Content Management Server, whoever remembers that back in the time, because I came to that line into SharePoint. And when I remembered the first real attempts on intranets and everything that we have been doing, document libraries, the first real extensions of SharePoint that we were developing, custom solutions and everything. And twenty three years later, Here we are talking about SharePoint driving and powering AI. It seems like a short journey in life of one person, but when you see what all developed, it's actually insane. In a positive way, I mean, out. Yeah. Is there a question? There is a question because I know that you are a person or one of the people behind the whole AI strategy behind the SharePoint. How does that feel now compared to back in the times? You know, I saw this comment recently on LinkedIn that, you know, we celebrated our twenty-fifth birthday a few weeks ago on March second, and there was a lot of, gosh, there was tons of people sharing stories about how SharePoint's impacted their career. um people excited about the new announcements people also like someone was like the last time i built a web part was and i've just built one again with ai coding tools i was like yes you know past and future merged together but you know there was one there was one comment that just struck me is like you know the products that matter and the resilient products are the ones that become load-bearing sometimes quietly sometimes without a lot of fanfare. And SharePoint has been load-bearing for so many customers for so many years. And that really struck with me. Like that is exactly what, that's why I've been working on this product for so long. The more we could, you know, load-bearing, hopefully people know you have a house, you have some walls that you can knock down, and then you have the load-bearing walls that are holding up the rest of the, you know, the rest of the building, and those are the ones that, you know, are foundational to the infrastructure, whatever you're trying to build. And that, because, you know, sometimes we're the hub, sometimes we're not, sometimes we're the application platform, sometimes we're part of a suite, sometimes we draw this horseshoe with SharePoint, the center and all these apps around us and sometimes our marketing team forgets to talk about sharepoint it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day i think we've become load bearing for so many customers um we take that as a responsibility and then when these new things come around um it turns out folks want to leverage what they've built uh on top of sharepoint and what they've invested in and And so that's why we think about it. You know, SharePoint's been many things, but now it's the knowledge platform for copilot and agents because no matter what, it has to embrace the latest trends and bring bring folks along. And so, you know, we're split on our team. You know, it's it's more like sixty forty if you include all the back end services. But in the U.S. part of the team, we're split fifty fifty between core UX and then AI. If you want to just talk about it, that's important. Like it's not Many people think there's some AI Kool-Aid being drunk and flown around, and maybe there is, but we think very intentionally about how we are absolutely investing in AI because people want to bring forward their investments, but we also invest in the core UX. So our March second announcements on our SharePoint birthday were, hey, here's a new sharepoint experience that everybody benefits from and then here's some new ai investments and that's i think you should expect that from from your load-bearing content platform um you know investing in both but uh yeah happy to talk more about either of those two yeah i mean oh if i go i just doesn't matter that that leads into a huge thing that i was burning to ask since i heard that you would be our guest right because there's a bunch of folks who who who are like, you know, agents, agents are everywhere. We interact with them more and more and more, especially if you code, like it's hard to imagine life without one. But then there are folks like, Intranets are dead. We're going to be interacting with agents. We'll have our own assistants, and it's going to be all chat or voice. I was like, I think it's a bit more nuanced than that. I feel like there's no one else to hear that better than from you, Adam. What is your vision of intranet in AI agentic world? Yeah, I mean, I think we can all agree for the foreseeable future, I think it's going to be a hybrid strategy where both exist. If today we move to a world of agents, what are those agents going to ground on if there's no content left? I mean, if you follow through with a logical conclusion, like it needs It needs grounding data and it needs to have the context of the organization. And so maybe there's some future world in a long time where you see some breakthrough on that. But for right now, I think the way we're going to bootstrap agents, we're going to bootstrap AI is to have your existing content and somewhat created by AI in the future, somewhat created by humans, be an important grounding source. Maybe it's just sort of like, I don't know, mobile or something like that, where Some people access through a mobile phone, some people ask through a desktop web, and some people access information through agents. Now, it is more transformative than just a new endpoint like mobile because it can sort of plan and do things as opposed to just sort of be an information retrieval space. And in fact, if you look at what we announced in March, both in SharePoint and then wider at Microsoft, it really is this is this change sort of from ask and find being a lot of the focus to sort of plan and do. And I want to point out, it's just the past four, people have been talking about that for a while, but the frontier models from like four or five months ago, are really what enabled us. Yag on my team is an engineering leader. You know, he just published this technical deep dive. I hope we can link to it in the show notes. And it looks at the different models, which you know, it was four, six GPT, five point two. And then the bleeding model that everybody loved last year, GPT, what, four point two, I think. And we have evals, right, basically the success rate for the work that we announced. We had about a fifty to sixty percent success rate for the model that was bleeding edge last year for the scenarios that were all these plan and do scenarios. And now it's up to the eighties and nineties with the latest model. And so if you want a little peek at the future, what's going to happen this year, so that this plan and do with the context of your organization that is easy to write a PowerPoint on, but the frontier models hadn't been good enough to deliver. And now that they are and, you know, you know, Microsoft maybe takes a little while to get going, but but we've got those engines primed and pumped in terms of how to build software, how to deliver quickly. And now that it is and now that the models have caught up, I think that's going to be the theme for this year. And so The other thing I would say on that, is it all agents or is it overhyped? The model's had a real breakthrough in the past few months. Microsoft's product makers, I think, have been primed and waiting for this moment. And when we're at our best, we also involve the community and creators and extenders too, which is why on March second, the most exciting announcements, I think, on SharePoint land was skills. Just like Cloud Code can get skills now, AI and SharePoint will have skills. That's what people latched onto. I don't mean this in any way derogative, but it's like catnip for our community. I mean that in a very good way. When we looked at the original sort of plan and do functions in AI and SharePoint, the number one feedback in our I'm actually from MVPs was like, yeah, but what about the context of the organization? What about the norms and standards? How is AI? AI is going to not just find and seek, it's going to plan and do. It needs to have that. And so we added skills. We looked at the industry. We realized there's a model for it, and we added it to our platform. I'm super excited to see what folks can do with sort of the skills infrastructure. It's just like custom branding, just like when you created this internet and you were a hero for your team, now you create a custom skill and tailor the AI experiences to exactly what your team does and the norms of the team, everything from file names to what's appropriate to talk about on a site. Anyways, the sky's the limit. You can tell I'm excited. Yeah, yeah. Yes, and for good reason. things are so fast developing nowadays like we we are facing some changes that are like if if you skip the month or two like all of a sudden you're in in neck deep into all these things new things that that you need to catch up and it's incredible that We are celebrating twenty five years, but only five years ago we did celebrate twenty birthday and it was a galactic summer. Right. That is in. Yeah, we were out VR, we had Jeff keynoting his twenty-fifth birthday and we tried to make the best out of the very challenging times for all of us, let's just put it that way, how it was. And I was just in preparation for this talk, I was just telling to Adam and to Valdek before that it's incredible five years ago we were not we did not know when are we going to see each other in person i mean valdeck and me live what two hours car drive from each other i did not know when i'm going to see valdeck uh the next time um so there was this outspace vr there was Jeff with a very metallic voice through this whole L Space VR voice things and everything. We had a band playing virtually, for God's sake. We had a band playing virtually on that birthday. And now we are five years later, we are speaking about AI and we are all meeting in Cologne in less than two months. I think it's actually awesome. I mean, just when you see Then you take a look at five years ago and now it's... Yeah. So that brings me to the point, right? Because I think that is the segue to what connects us being a community. And Adam, that also brings me back to what you said about the catnip four, like the driver. you've been around for a long time has this co community been always that active or have you seen evolved over the course of years as you were involved in product and like what was the time for you to kind of get immersed uh into it Oh, I think the community has always been amazing, seriously, and always been ready to embrace the latest and to keep us honest. The times it hasn't worked has been a hundred percent when Microsoft wasn't delivering during some periods where we either didn't have the right maybe completely the right strategy or weren't delivering up to expectations. You know, I feel deep responsibility to make, to not let this community down. Right. And yes, sometimes where we try to make things way too out of the box and then don't have a role for champions within an organization or just, you know, sort of miss a trend or something like that. So I don't know, you all are closer. You've seen the community ebb and flow and, you know, I think it's fair to say many, many people in our community started with SharePoint and branched out now to other products. And that's fantastic. I take that as awesome. A lot of people still hold SharePoint close in their heart. They still realize it has a role. unlike on prem where SharePoint was the sort of the application hosting platform as well as the place that now it has a different role, sort of maybe more of an L shaped role where it has its own app and then it's a platform sometimes without even people realizing it. And then it's fantastic where the number one connector for Power Platform. So many, many Power Platform community members sort of interact with SharePoint through that. And that's fantastic too. And so I think it's grown. It's grown to adjacent products, which is great. I think a lot about how do we make sure we get new members into the community and what our role at Microsoft is, not to mandate that, but to try to encourage that because I get one year old every year and so do many of our Most members of the community do as well, unless there's anybody doing some time travel or light speed. And so how we keep the community vibrant is something we think a lot about. And I try to meet with three to four MVPs a month. I prioritize ones that are new to the program. I ask curious questions about what is this? the generation leaving college today want to get out of a community. They tend to want to, you know, I don't know if this is age or if this is just the generation, they tend to want to dance between technologies a little more as opposed to focus on one. And so, you know, which is why I'm glad something like the SharePoint framework still exemplifies that, right? You don't have to be a SharePoint expert, you just have to be a web expert, right? And so the more we can embrace industry standards, you know maybe this thing with with skills it's you know exactly the same skills you're using in cloud code so you don't you know if you're going to dance in and out of microsoft a little more than be you know just in one tech you know how do we make sure we provide good uh opportunities for community members who prefer that you know that type of thing but it's also up to us in the community and i mean thank you for everything uh you're doing for my exercise so it's also up to us in the community to help with it the last is yes a SharePoint legend, a very dear friend of mine, who is not working in SharePoint anymore, but obviously Heart is still with SharePoint. He's with Microsoft back then, and now Kimo Forssell, the name is obviously known to a lot of people. Kimo came to me and was like, Adis, we've got a problem. I was like, Kimo, I've got hundreds, but tell me now, tell me which one are we talking right now? And he's like, we are getting older. And he pointed out that speakers are getting older, audiences, attendees are also getting older, and we need new people. So Kimo and Paolo Pielorzi and Mustafa and me came basically together to say, hey, what can we do? So we have opened a special call for speakers slash papers for the young first time speakers. And this year, we have identified three who are very very um exciting i'm very excited about uh to see those three uh speeches those three sessions uh on the stage but we also said we were also thinking should we mix and match them with the more experienced speaker should somebody be speaking with kimo on the stage for example we decided against it but he had kimo thomas wachten and uh who was the paulo It was Ahmad, Kimo, and Lee. So one MVP and two guys from Microsoft basically mentoring them for the first time, coming to the stage and speaking on the stage, and I'm totally looking forward. We have a seventeen-year-old young adult who has almost all Microsoft Azure certificates passed already. So how awesome is that? That is cool. That is really cool. So we are going to have him also on the stage and everything. So I think we can all try our best. And I know we all are doing this. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I still think it's important to preach that story, to have this, to try to get as much young people as possible. Adam, if we can tap a little bit in your brain, now we have you here. What tips would you give somebody who is new to speaking, being on stage in a professional setting? What tips would you give them to basically try to rock on stage? Yeah. Oh, that's a great question. And first off, I think it's great that ECS has some new speakers and stuff like that. If I can help or meet with them or do anything, I'd love to do that. I'd love to sort of meet with our next generation. You know, in general, rather than speaking or anything, I would just say, you know, find a way to wave to ride that's larger than yourself. That's sort of the number one career advice I try to give the folks that are sort of young. You know, one of the reasons you're at you're in school, it's very individualistic, right? You're getting your own grade and pretty much you're doing things somebody has done before because it's not the first time this class was offered. Might be the first. you know, ten thousandth. And then you get into the industry, right? And, you know, you are doing things that have never been done before. And it's just so important to, like, you know, find the right wave attached to it. Obviously, AI is a wave right now, but, you know, companies can be a wave. A coalition you're building at work could be a wave. Just like do something bigger than you can accomplish, you know, yourself. And this is why I think community is so good, because what's a better wave than sort of getting immersed in the community and figuring out, you know, how it can help you and how you can help it. And so that's, you know, that's the number one thing, you know, when I give people career advice, it's like, okay, so, you know, yes, think about yourself, but also think about what are you going to attach to that's, you know, bigger than yourself. And then for speaking, of course, like, yeah, you just got to get, just got to get started. I'm glad you're creating these opportunities for folks. The other thing I would say is you'll never find another speaking, well, I won't use a double negative. Everybody in the audience is rooting for you. Right? It's not like there's an awesome audience here. It's not like, you know, like we all have, you might have done debate in school or something like that. You might, there might be some conflict or controversy or, you know, resource hoarding, but not here, right? Like every single person in that audience, it wants to learn from you and wants you to succeed. Like what a better way of like practicing your speaking skills and getting started. And there's like, make sure you know that people will have your back and, you know, people want to hear about what you have on and what's on your mind. Well, I remember two years ago, Gabby, the daughter of our Fabian Williams. Yes. She was sixteen when she came on stage. She had a full room. Everybody was celebrating. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was sixteen. And this was so awesome. Yeah. So beyond that, say they will have their first experience on stage. They will enjoy it. They'll be like, yes, I want this to become my job. What's the next step? What would you offer as a tip for somebody who wants to start? And then maybe if I can share a little bit of thing that I think you're very active internally on is the mentorship, the importance of having a mentor and having somebody who is maybe further down in the career from whom you can learn. Because for me, that was never a thing until I joined Microsoft. In the past, it just never been a thing that I would have a mentor. And it was like, only when I joined, I became exposed to it. helping folks to learn from the things that we learn, what kind of advice would you give for how to find a mentor? Because you can hear folks talk about, yeah, you should have a mentor. How do I go about finding one? Can I just ask? Yeah, no, that's a fantastic question. I would say, first off, let's separate mentorship from sponsorship. They're different things. A sponsorship is someone generally pretty senior that can sort of watch out for you and help you in your career and just sort of look out and find opportunities for you. And people often think that, and that's great too, and sometimes they're the same and sometimes they're different. But mentorship is someone that can sort of guide you along the way, right? and then be a sounding board for you and the best mentors aren't going to tell you they're going to sort of it sounds a little trite but like unlock the answer that was already inside you by asking you the right question because they know when they've gone and you know that's what i try to do when i mentorship i i i desperately want to just you know drop some facts and some advice right and you know sometimes there's a good session where that's appropriate but most of the time it's about no what do you you know tell me more about what you're thinking and you know getting getting folks there on their own right um And then, you know, there's different types of mentors, too, right? My wife and I run this blog called Mind the Beat, and she's run this whole post on the four or five different types of mentorships. And, you know, there is definitely there's definitely the typical mentor, someone that is close to you in the organization that has the context of your business, but, you know, is generally almost like an onboarding buddy. Sometimes that's a common one. It's good to get someone more senior that's far away from you that has just enough context to know, but you can sort of talk without sort of fear that it's going to have an immediate impact on your day to day and they can give some context like in an adjacent org. We often sometimes do reverse mentoring here where we actually, you know, pair someone junior with someone senior. And then the point is for the junior person to mentor the senior person because, you know, there's a lot to learn about the younger generation and also the just new ways of working. And then maybe one of my favorites is the therapy mentor, which is just someone you could convince to someone you could just sort of ask, do the righteous complaining with, but hopefully then eventually turned it into something positive and productive as opposed to completely an outlet. And that's great, too. And, you know, in your career, sometimes you don't need a mentor at all. Sometimes you need a different type. Sometimes you're going through something hard. You just need that therapy mentor. You know, it sort of it depends on where you are in that sort of growth curve and how in the flow you are. um so you know that's that's what i would say i would say you'd be surprised how how open people are to being your mentor just you know just ask uh sometimes very senior leaders have you know a certain number they can take at a time and they might be full you might get on some sort of wait list but like boy most of the time i say yes when people ask the mentor and other times i haven't i you know because i've been full or you know just you know pull up or it didn't work out for other reasons um you know never mind that somebody asked in fact it's always a it always leads to something good even if it's not you know direct so don't don't be afraid of using that to try to open a door too yeah and i think that's i think that is this a unique view especially when when you uh you mentioned the the reverse one where somebody who is who begins it might've never occurred to them the value that they can bring, right? Because like, I am new, what do I know? It's like, no, no, no, no. That's exactly why, like that is exactly the USP, you know, you have and nobody else does, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've been in the same job for longer than average. And so it is incredibly important to me that I think about how I create space for new ideas. SharePoint as an engineering team tends to attract people who want to make it their home for a while, myself included. And I think that's lovely. I think that's awesome. I think it's a good thing. And it's sort of partly because the community, partly because a bunch of reasons, but it also can create a little bit of groupthink it can um sort of help us stay too long on a path that we shouldn't have and so yeah i think a lot about how we make sure all voices are heard especially new voices uh and we definitely we just need a lot of mechanics on our team so it's not like well we've tried this before um remember doc sets that sounds like You know, do we want to blah, blah, blah, you know, right? And we don't want to autopilot on like we've figured everything out or just because, you know, pre-AI work this way, post-AI might work differently, right? You know, or whatever the latest trend is. And so we think a lot about how we inject that into people. Whenever I want to tease Vesa, I just ask you, when are you bringing SP Metal back? But only hardcore SharePoint dev nerds will know what I'm talking about. Well, they can remember SP Metal. I mean, to say what Adam just said, I'm just thinking, yes, this reverse mentoring. I have incorporated my first company in nineteen ninety eight. Most of my team, our team today is born in nineteen ninety seven. So just one year older than basically my first company. It's awesome. They're brilliant. They're very clever. They are very creative. But they are also challenging me all the time. Why are we doing things that we are doing? Shouldn't we be doing things different way? This is stupid. I mean, they know that they are allowed to tell me what you just proposed. It's utterly stupid. And that I actually always think about why did they say that to me? That it's not... So yes, I think it's really important. And then we are back by the new generation. it's definitely important to hear what they are saying. But what you said, I think, Valdek, we were sticking to one technology, which we learned. But think about us back then. What choice did we have? We had basically Microsoft or Java or some obscure technologies around. I have no idea what you're talking about, Java. Yeah, it was once upon a time. There were not too many quality things to choose from. So Microsoft was a logical choice. Microsoft was a natural choice. still is but there are many other choices right now and i see them basically as adam said copying more between the technologies or trying different technologies but somehow not developing passion for a single technology they do they develop passion for skills they do develop passion for good software but sometimes sometimes oh god this new asp.net this is so awesome i don't hear that I don't hear there's one technology that they burn for. So would it be like a blanket statement, maybe a little bit of like trying to get different perspectives here, would it be fair to say that folks these days are less easily blown away by things? Like in the past, you would see this music, oh my God, this is so cool. Like you would see, I know the first time that I saw Moth, You know, it came out, blue thing. It's like, oh, my God, that's so cool. And you would see a ribbon. It's like, oh, my God, it's got ribbon on the web. Yeah. Today, you're like, shrug. Right? On the web. But I think what Hadis is talking about is exactly the reason why it is like that. Because there was not that many things to choose from. And kind of like every new thing was like, oh, this is so cool. This is new. Like, I need to try this. nowadays wherever you turn like it's a new thing like whatever we sorry let's let's talk about ai and all the models and everything that we're using daily every second second we have like new new thing new new model new something that that that is so cool and that that's why i think people are not so easily blown away as they used to be right Because the cycle just sped up so much. We got the product for three to five years and we used it. So when the new product came out, we were like, wow, this is so cool, the new stuff. Now it's new thing every second. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'll try to reframe the question so it's not for old guys trying to figure out what the young... Are people still there? I think we got a little hiccup in our... Can folks hear me? I think you're back. I think you're back. Yeah, you're right. Not quite. Okay. Yeah. Hopefully we can trim that up or something like that. But, you know, I'll reframe the question a little bit, you know, so it's not just us trying to figure out what the young folks think and more what can we learn from our own journey and, you know, What about the repeating cycles in tech? You know, I, I, I do agree. I think as, as the industry gets bigger, like, you know, when I just look at the size of Microsoft, it's ten exercise from when I first started and the, and the, and the industry is, is so much bigger. And so there's going to be more choice and more things as the, as you know, software eats the world. Right. And so what you say is absolutely a theme. You know, the other thing I do think is that we're at the beginning of a new cycle, and so it tends to be let a thousand flowers bloom part of the cycle. And so I'm getting excited by many things, but there's not one platform or a couple platforms that have standardized yet. I don't think, I don't see any signal to mean that there's not going to be at least some amount of that over time, right? Where there will be a gravitation to like, here's the standards and practice. We're not rethinking this part of AI anymore and everybody's doing it this way. One of the reasons I'm excited about this phase of the cycle is that we are in that sort of experimentation phase. And so you're going to see, yeah, a lot, everybody sort of start to look at a variety of tech process. Uh, you know, so I do think there's the long story arc that's true. And then there's the repeating cycle of which we're in the beginning of one. And I think, um, uh, that's, that's how that's where I feel we are on that, on the, on the timeline. Okay, we had again a small hiccup, but I think we are back now. But for the most part, it was understandable what Adam was saying, right? Yeah. I can repeat it if you want, or we can cut it. For the most part, it was understandable. Adam, ECS is in less than two months. What are you going to say on that keynote stage? I mean, there were a lot of... Or that Adam can already disclose now. Maybe there will be other things that Adam still cannot disclose now, but will be able in two months. That's, of course, happening. But we have seen a series of things happening and being announced in SharePoint in March, which is... insane even uh the pace is crazy as we mentioned a few minutes ago back in time we would come to mvp summit to see what microsoft is going to publish in a year and a half and now we are like in two week tax with uh stuff and uh i have seen a lot of cool things uh for the past happening in the past few weeks Can you tell us a bit of that and what is your keynote going to be about? What is our audience able to hear? What will they have opportunity to hear from you in Cologne? Yeah, no, it sounds great. I'm looking forward to it. Two months is seven years in AI dog years. So who knows what the world will be like by the time ECS comes around. But, you know, like many things, I hope the start start with sharing what we're hearing from customers. Um, and I think there's a huge interest, not just in the tech, but in how to apply the tech. What are the adoption best practices? What what's really happening that is working and hunting and scaling and driving adoption and, um, So I hope to talk a little bit about the story arc, similar to what we talked about today already in terms of our point of view in Microsoft of where we think the technology is going, what's ready and what's hunting, but also just sort of telling it, letting our customers or enabling customers to tell the story. And then, you know, I do think, yeah, sort of plan and action, plan and do. I think that's one of the themes this year, like with skills that sort of help the context and norms of the organization be embedded into the AI. whether that's the AI and SharePoint announcements that really sort of is a full orchestrator for all the greatness that people have done in SharePoint, allowing an expert to save time or someone new to get involved in these scenarios, awesome. We recently announced something called Copilot Cowork, which is when the task you want to do is long running and spans multiple applications. So you know that great. I love SharePoint, but not everything you ever want to do is only SharePoint. Sometimes you want to cross between SharePoint and email and other apps, and so that's why we have a new destination called Copilot We'll have all the skills that you see in AI and SharePoint and others around, all the other tools, and it can orchestrate long-running tasks regardless of application. Super excited about that sort of one trend. And then, of course, yeah, just talk about the evolution of the Copilot app. While plan and do is awesome, ask and find is also still critically important. People need to be able to have... great grounding in Copilot and in Agents. We can talk about that. And I will make sure we also spend a good healthy amount of time talking about the evolution of Microsoft V-sixty-five as a platform and as a series of apps. Yes, with AI, but also just there's incredible, we continue to pour innovation into the core UX as we like to refer to it because people have made a bet on that. You know, I know people are worried about what is, you know, is AI the only thing getting investment? Quite the opposite. And so we'll make sure we cover the latest there. So people are getting the most out of the investment that they've already paid for and made. Right. Nice. So, yeah, that that should do it. I think that should fill the time pretty well. Really easily, I think. And I know that some of our Microsoft friends who are also joining us have also plans for you. All the different stages and the different panels after that, but I'm going to leave it to them. People from your team who are also joining us, they've got plans. I'm just putting this together. They've got plans. I like the plans, but they are going to... For everybody who is joining us in May, yes, Adam, on the keynote stage, we will hear what's Microsoft Vision, what's Microsoft Outlook, what's Microsoft Stand of the Things, but also, as we told our speakers, they will be actually able to meet Adam in person and experience him live on the stages with the people, which is one of the things that we really love about ECS, that everybody's together, so people talk, people exchange experiences, and that's, I think, the biggest benefit, besides learning, besides everything. Absolutely. You mentioned it five years ago, we celebrated SharePoint's twentieth and it was remote and it wasn't a foregone conclusion that events like this would come back after the pandemic. I am so glad they did. I think it's a validation of events like this that they did come back in such strong And like you said, it's so we can connect deeper. You can listen to our keynote anywhere, anytime, sort of virtually, but you can only really get super immersed and talk one-on-one and meet and unpack things in this sort of face-to-face environment. So super, super excited. Gentlemen, this was an awesome episode. And this is the perfect end of the season, if I may say. Mustafa Valdec, I think you would agree. Totally agree. Adam, thank you a lot for being with us. Thank you a lot for joining us in Cologne. Looking forward to seeing you in person again. And everybody, this is the last that you hear from... valdec mustafa and me for now we will be back after the summer break online online you will hear a lot of us still in in person at ecs in case yes uh but we will be back after the the after the ecs and after the summer break uh again with interesting funny crazy uh whatever topics uh however you call it and with also guests as we had uh now and See you in Cologne. See you, folks. Thank you. Thank you, Adam. Thank you all.