The Road to ECS - S2 E1: Vesa Juvonen

season two >> episode one. I feel like Star Trek. Do you serious? >> No, you're still not Captain Kirk. You are still not Captain Kirk or spoke. So, trust me. But I want to be >> I wanna be. >> Welcome everyone to the season two episode one of the road to ECS. Uh going um going towards the end of 2025 approaching 2026. Uh and um when I uh had a conversation with uh Valdec and Mustafa two weeks ago or three weeks ago about how we want how we want to do the season 2, what do we want to uh change

which other topic? Do we want do we want uh we did have some ideas. We are not going to tella all the ideas because we want to keep some surprises in the during this uh during this recording. But before we start, two questions for all of you. Um, since we didn't actually I didn't see any of you since uh, right? We I didn't see in person. Obviously, I did see Mustafa, but that doesn't work to my benefit, but I did see um, so um, I have two questions uh, for all of you now. How is your life right now? How are you

doing? What are you working on right now? And did something happen? Something big, something strange, something small, something beautiful, something less beautiful happened since we saw each other in drito until Yeah. this end of um end of October. Mald, >> that is a loaded question. I >> This is going to take a while. >> What happened? What didn't happen? Ah was live. What is the meaning of live? Um, so yeah, last time we spoke that was at ECS. Um, I mean like we don't really

get to see each other in person that much. I think twice a year might be tops these days. ECS MVP summit. Have you been to the last MVP summit? I don't know. >> No. >> No, you haven't. There you go. So, it's one once a year which makes it really exclusive. Right. So, um, we've seen each other at the ECS. Since then, what happened? Well, the holiday break, we had a lovely summer summer break time to you know kind of recharge, re ponder the meaning of life. Think uh you know where you are, where you want

to be, where what what you want to go and then for us at Microsoft uh we had beginning of new fiscal year which always comes you know with uh changes in mindset, changes in strategy, changes in the way we organize ourselves. Um so from that point of view I am still in the same role still on the same job albeit doing working on a different project that isn't slightly related to N365 and unfortunately I cannot really dive into more detail yet but it's very much as you can expect in it's in the

AIL LLM space. Uh >> you mean you mean computer intelligence right? >> Correct. Correct. is very much in the computer intelligence uh or the lack of intelligence part. >> Uh so it's very much geared towards uh I can maybe say agentic developer experiences that I can dulge uh but it's very interesting. It's you know it very exciting. It's like for me it's pushing all the right but buttons get getting me really energized to the point that I at times I like maybe it's too

much maybe I'm trying but it's just so you know it's challenging intriguing it has all the aspects of Dor that I love so I kne deeps in LLM and uh in code Mustafa What are you up these days and these months? >> These months? Well, same old like we basically as you well know like uh uh I'm I'm kind of sentenced to having two jobs and and having others as a co-orker on both of them. Uh so it's it's always a a struggle to keep both sides right operating. It's it's a little bit calmer

with ECS right now. So that allows me to focus a little bit more on on run event side and all the exciting things we are bringing in with the computer intelligence to to event industry. Um but also it wasn't enough that we organize ECS along working with run events. We also decided to do another conference but so there there's that we are doing a detic tech >> to my to my defense I was pulled into this. Yeah, it's my fault. >> You were my fault. >> I just hope Margaret me one day.

So, there's that. >> That's good. This is not by chance that we wanted you um as our first guest uh obviously uh for for the for the season two. Um not because the friendship goes long together because we do this conference for the long now for a long time together because you are in the content team for for uh god what seven eight years seven years I I stopped counting at some point of time does no doesn't really even matter um before we go for the reasons we were actually for the

questions we wanted not the questions wrong board before we delve into the topics we wanted to discuss with uh this time. Can you just tell us a bit about um what are you up to these days and months since we saw each other in Germany? >> Absolutely. I I I think the the biggest thing about me within the past few months well was the it's almost already forgotten. I had the magnificent opportunity, thank you for Adam Hammets and everybody else to take a a bit of a longer time off um and a real time off.

Um quite often >> you had to you had to bring it up. Well, quite often when you work in a in a US-based company, especially remotely, um having time off doesn't mean really that you have that option to take time off. It depends on a role, depends on a culture, depends on the organization. Um and also depends on your own way of working. And I'm pretty how would I put it 24/7 within the role because I don't consider working because for me the community open source and and the people

we work with they're they're bigger kind of a closer family. They're colleagues, crossorganizational colleagues. So you're kind of a working 24/7 and doing that for many many many years. It does mean that um having a opportunity of having 8 weeks off and really relaxing taking offline not actually doing anything uh was a brilliant opportunity and and super thankful for the company on that one. So it's something what what company provides when has long been long enough in a in a company in a high

enough levels whatever that means. Um, so that was really nice and probably the biggest and best thing was to go to Alps to hiking with the teenager. So that was a brilliant thing. So >> the only thing I was surprised about obviously I knew that uh about your parents you kept us informed but I was surprised when you started answering signal messages. I was never in my life thought that you would but you did. But signal again friends uh is a different thing but that that's that's one of the things which is bit of a

problem maybe for me within you know my my way of working is also that we we create actual friendships. So yes it's a working relationship it's a colleague but we're also friends and then it comes to like this okay so I'm on a vacation but if it's a friends having a discussion is it really working or not? But then there's always the discussion then okay what is work? Um, and because I don't even count my working hours because it doesn't make any sense because it's complicated what is work

and what is not work. But that also that also is an exception because I'm in an exceptional role uh with the opportunities what I had within the company. So and still continuing doing that as well. a big part of my role in the future. >> Exception big part of my ex my my role continues to be and thank you for that for the company is the community and and promoting other people. Uh so for me it's it's really I if I could I would step down on on many of the the visual things on presenting and everything

else. Um I don't you know it's it's not a thing for me. I don't need to do that. But raising other people and giving a a channel for other people to present and maybe grow within their career is is giving me the energy uh on on doing these things. Really that's always been the thing. So >> awesome. From my side pretty much similar what must said we are working on something really big and I can't wait for the next few weeks to start announcing the things we are doing for

with the run events and computer intelligence. uh things we have started last year but there are some really good uh big large things coming in the in the next few weeks uh which is fun to work with uh since since I am directly leading that project in the company it's um it's fun it really is fun and it's uh good stuff and uh we are doing that but we are not here for that one thing that Baldc came up and I think it's awesome idea um usually good idea Yes, that I I I need to give

him that you >> you would never expect it, right? But he does come with a good idea or what was it called? Appearances just not not distracted. I don't know >> to uh give especially that's why we wanted one of the reasons why we wanted to have best in the um in the episode one that we do a short recap of what we liked what we didn't like about this l of 2025 um from our different perspectives was a keynote speaker he was he had a he had um obviously together with Gary did the

full a tutorial and the sessions is done and Valdec is uh let's put it this way very close friends of of the family. He's not really directly involved in the in the organization team or in the content team but WC always know what we are doing and that's by purpose because we want his input and we want uh him but Vesu also from your side from perspective somebody who had again to do 58 sessions on his own at the at the event like overexagerating but not by much. uh who delivered the main keynote

and uh who was also and still is of course in the content team. How was work how was that working from your perspective? What what was your feeling? What was your um what was your um how did you see the how did you experience uh 2025 uh ECS 2025? What did work? What didn't work? What what's your change >> as a person who doesn't like to speak? How did it feel to give the few sessions? >> Yeah. No, it's part of the role as well. So, and it's it's complicated. So, I

Yes. Technically, I can't be silent, but it's it's there's certain level of an expectation that I do talk. Um, so um from my perspective, if you start from me, uh I think 2025 was a really really polished experience. Uh we've been in a past indelor so we knew the venue so was there was no surprises except uh the the the new screening uh in the in the new area which was anybody who was in that room the room number one if I remember correctly do know what I'm talking about

there was a certain level of a technical challenges within that one uh it was awesome experience for the for the for the start of the conference everything else because you had this kind of immersive experience but then there was certain not quite optimal situations within that room as well. So that was the only kind of a negative bit of a challenge. Um and then we had some small technical challenges maybe related on hardware which we were using but hey life always happens and then you improvise. Uh so those things happens

and that was nothing really uh on organizers or the venue or the conference itself. Um but if we think about the venue was brilliant, coordination was brilliant. I didn't think we had that many cues pre-days were working. Um the expo was really good and vibrant and it was anytime you walked on the expo there was a lot of people there which was really nice to see it. So it's a combination of that networking in the expo at the same time as the sessions are ongoing. So you can actually select on how do you choose

your uh spend your time and and really looking forward on uh Cologne uh next year uh as well. So basically what's going to be the venue there and what's the setup over there. But I don't so I think at this it's fair to say um the the organizations uh have evolved. We've done this so many times. You've done this so many times. I'm not really on executing on the operational side. It it's really hard to actually make it better and better every single year. It's getting really really polished. uh

as well. >> Um we right but just one side note because uh best said the cologne and how it's going to be in Cologne we we are getting so many questions why cologne in the next year and let's one let's lift the mystery for once of all it's not this jumping is not on purpose. Um the thing is we are when you when you have 3,000 people you are in a very um interesting spot as a conference conference organizer. You are way too large for hotels. So there's no way except in Vegas I mean but Vegas is

something different. You don't you don't want to >> is not going to Vegas just European hotels. Let's put it that >> and you are a small player in the fair values. >> Yes. So while we have really really good uh experience with this we want to keep this uh event happening in May. So we are flexible on the date of the month but we are not flexible of the month. We actually want things happening in May. However every second year they have some pack fair about cardboard industry packaging and stuff

they are slightly uh by small percentages larger than us. they have around 180,000 at this >> a bit a bit larger. >> This is something where we cannot really compete uh on the venue dates with that >> and that's every second year. So we have the neighboring town which is Cologne and the funny thing if you're in German you know people from Cologne and this hate each other not from the venues they're friends but generally there's this competition like between like

between Rotter and Amsterdam in Netherlands uh Baltic for example just so like this kind of we don't like each other because because we don't know but we don't like it anyway. Um so we are this year in Cologne which is a next year in Cologne which is a beautiful city which is a very new venue. It's brand new. Um I think Margaret and me have first visited the venue when they were still a construction place. So we were working this construction boots and the helmets to the venue. They wanted to

show that to us. They really wanted to have have us. However, they also can't do a can only do even with us for the very same reason. So the most probably if nothing big changes, we will be swapping Colianorf for the next time for the next for the years to come. And I think the beauty of of doing that the airport still remains the same, right? So from airport to Cologne is 15 minutes uh with train is >> 15 minutes. However, Cologne has got its own airport which is also >> I wasn't aware of that. Okay, cool.

Cool. >> But to land there, you got to fly through London. >> To Col or Dublin. >> Yeah. >> Well, like how did you see the 2025 from your perspective? Oh, like one thing that is burned in my memory are the is the awesome tribute you folks did with science, >> our friends Dave and Patrick and Marcus. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So for those folks who are in there like typically when you are on the expo floor like it's amazing, right? So it might be you know tricky to share the

location like I am in this spot like you I I am by this booth but then like if the booth isn't huge in the center like how do you find the booth? So last time the organizers at ECS came up with this great idea like how why not put uh the road signs but then like how do you name the roads and then you they use the names of folks who were longtime community members and unfortunately which is very sad they aren't with us anymore but they basically dedicated the road names to them. Y >> and that was a really you know when you

think about community being group of people who share the same spirit or passion it doesn't get any more than that like that was you know I get all warm fuzzy talking about even now like that was that was one thing that stays with me like when I was there like oh man like that's beautiful and after all these months it's still with me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The only out of three of them the only Patrick was not uh has never been speaking at ECS because um he passed away unfortunately uh before we started

the conference. Was it 2008 school that he pass I think >> I think it was 2008 yes or 2007 >> 2008 >> but Dave and Marcus were our speakers and I especially I knew Marcus long before became our speaker. He was at uh he was a he was a attendee of our conference for years before before he started actively speaking and actively engaging in community and it was just I don't know I mean most of Abra and me were talking about this it was just it just seemed like a right right >> it was it was it was a right

that was a great idea great idea >> we also had some signs which we thought okay are they going to lynch us for that so we had a street of SharePoint legends uh it was one the street the streets uh if you remember there was a street of AI hallucinations and there was a street of >> I was lost around that area >> Azure hidden cost >> the next time I think we might need DNS outage >> yeah that's good that's good now that we're recording this right after the few

days >> it's never DNS it's always >> it's always DNS >> or certificate I have seen I have seen the meme yesterday. Actually, it was yesterday. Um it was basically of course a funny sarcastic uh Twitter post where I said u person oh those idiots uh in AWS let me go uh because of a small outage with where IDed I don't know 20 million of DNS entries. Luckily I got I I got a new new role in Microsoft Azure. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. going back going back at you

folks, right? So, you organized the ECF uh already for quite a few years and and I can imagine being an organizer and like the world doesn't stand still like so you try to one up yourself every year. What was your experience like? Did you you manage to kind of reach all your goals and ambitions for ECS25 that you had and can you dulge a little bit of like open up the kimono? How like what are your plans to one up yourself for 20 years? >> What's the >> Well, we always do this postmortem after

the event like looking what went well, what went good and there are always space for improvements like we we spot where it could be handled better. Like for example, this year I wasn't too happy with the tech part at all. it for the most part it ran smoothly but there are there were million issues in the back in the background that that we kind of handling and that's the thing of the conference like there are always small things and the most important part is that attendees don't don't see it right

that that you smooth everything out before before it's >> sometimes they do >> sometimes they do right like but there are always like million things but the I think the biggest problem for now for us now became like what we're going to do the next time because it's expected to be on at least at the same level and you always need to keep it up like always bring something fresh. >> I think that's the biggest challenge. Now >> we had we had really some um we had some

vascular that was that really was one of the challenges um with the uh AV tech and it was caused then again we know it was caused because the kotled off and that might be the only drawback to the digital venue. A kilo can take maximum 1,400 people. We were more than double than that. Plus, you know how people are. They I mean Vald sits there with somebody else and then somebody comes and doesn't sit the directly besides Valdec but takes the next chair. >> Yes. So there's an empty chair in the

middle and there are like 50 people standing thinking they don't have a place and then it's it's also so this time we have divided this keynote to two rooms and we try to emulated the u European uh song contest with the blue room green room you know this kind of stuff. However was especially the first five to 10 minutes first five minutes I would say was uh very challenging. So what happened? We had our AB uh partner tech people. We had tech people AB people from the venue that we had to

work with on their own. They're all good people but they did not speak the same language and I don't mean same language in in the sense of language. I think I think I speak about same language of level of understanding that we are called middle. >> Yep. >> So this is and none of us is an AB guy. I mean, Mustafi plays in the band and I know how to plug in the guitar. But that's I'm not an A guy. I know how I know how to plug in the guitar. Uh so for the next year, for example, just how

how it works. Uh as it happens, we are very various group of people. Uh Brett Lonesdale's best friend is an AV magician. So we are bringing Adrian uh from from um next year next year from Birmingham to uh to um Cologne and Adrian is going to basically manage those two groups people to make happen from our side that nothing goes wrong. So uh like if this is the answer to your question about like what how do we deal with the when we see that the potential space for improvement how do we deal with that? We

basically try try to see what to do. We do as Mustafa said, we do have a list. Uh our list of what didn't work is probably much longer than anybody else's list, but that's the only way how that how that >> like I I think like I have to say like most of us said there was a lot of things obviously what probably happened behind the scenes that nobody knows and which are on your list but from my perspective brilliant brilliant delivery uh in 2025. really good feedback from from uh both

from attendees from weekend sponsors and the focus on expo >> is what everybody told was like really the big thing this year. >> Yeah. >> And everybody loved it. Sponsors loved it. Attendees love it. It was always a buzz. They were we had painters on the expo. We had Nixon playing saxophone on the the expo. We had Matt Bon turning uh the car on the expo where we almost got expelled from the from the Have you picked that up? >> No. >> You know car? >> Yeah. Yeah. So I know that they had car

and I heard it being on but I didn't know that that had a potentially disastrous effect on your >> at some point of time did the marketing murder for lightning turn the car on >> within 15 seconds >> people running to him shouting for let's car it was okay um right So um yeah I mean there there always things for improvement and uh stuff but I find this year challenging that we have barely manage to get everybody from the cotton team in the same time in the same place. >> True.

We just need to admit that we are because for free conferences right that we are 15 people with very different schedules with with very different um things to do and collab summit was even the smallest one of them. I think the more challenging we had around cloud, right? Uh most >> well getting cloud scheduling the the content team meeting for the cl AI and cloud summit was a big struggle with everyone with a million different things on on the list and having everyone at the same

time at the same place was very very challenging. >> And then there is Kimmo who just tell me whenever you need me to be there I'll be there. That's the right approach, right? >> It is admirable if you have the that amount of control over your own calendar that you can say, you know what, I'm going I can prioritize this. >> That is true. That is true. Not everybody has that option. That is true. >> Here is a loud shout out to a living legend who is a member of our AI and

cloud condors. It was just like >> he did say like I do have like a trip with my like I need to go to the US to have a meeting with my with with my team but I'm flexible. Just tell me in advance so I can plan when the trip is going. >> So it's that's no it's that's no uh other than that I actually I actually do think that 2025 was our best conference ever even with all and then again this is one of the issues of the those postmortems you tend to speak about what didn't work. Yep.

Because you don't care about that what worked anymore because it it worked. We don't speak about that. >> Yeah. >> I realize a bit of a European culture. We >> It is a European culture thing for sure. >> What didn't work whereas you have a whole mountain on other side that worked brilliantly. >> But that went as planned. Why would to celebrate that? >> Well, it's the table stakes like you raised the bar and I like duh >> work. Now you mean you you you want to

grow and you only grow by looking at things like where you can uh improve right >> which is fair but you also need to celebrate wins uh let's face it everybody should be being happy about uh 2025 and and and the success and excitement uh what was there and the numbers um being in a content team for ECS uh I think the the session numbers were really really good uh it was it was really really cool to see um the the ratings and also the feedback what we got collected and from the actual attendees related on how can we improve

super important piece. Let's never let's never uh forget it with all the fun effects with all the uh other stuff and everything. It's the content that actually drives people >> and uh content was in my opinion total spot on >> was was uh you know uh we have a joke that um both Mustafa and me have like few wild cards whom we want to have an event who we don't uh who we don't want to miss who we want people to come I think I didn't last year I didn't put any of the wild

cards So it was the program was that selected that good that I was just like know that yep like it walk away. In other words, we're at the stage where the content team reads your mind and they know who you would like to see. >> That it's not >> sure. >> No, I had really I had I one of my favorites which also happened with the normal conctionist. We had some people back who were absent in the past years for different reasons for very legitimate reasons. One is we for example had Joel Rouel back our uh

speaker from France who for the personal and family reasons was not be was not being able to to uh attend for the past two three years and we had for the very same reason Ben Naen back who also wasn't traveling to Europe for the past few years the last year he did so uh I mean just Joel and Ben being there was actually uh my personal highlight uh because I I haven't seen them for for quite some time and there are people I like >> now I have to say one of Yeah. Yeah. Go. >> Uh

uh now uh so I I have to say one of the key benefits also on the on the conferences for sure the fact that we you are combining or we are combining. Am I part of it? I guess I'm part of it combining the the three conferences to a one and the reason why I love that uh is actually that there's a lot of people who've been moving across the different technologies within their careers and and there's a lot of friends and there's a lot of overlapping technologies. So rather than doing isolation this is

about power platform this is about I'm say Microsoft 365 this is about ashure and we actually combine them because all of them are deeply connected between each other so as part of this one big conference if you have the right ticket obviously but that's a logistics um but you can actually move freely between the different sessions and you meet the friends and people uh who you've seen throughout the journey uh as well. So that that's a really good part of it. Um if you build something for M365 or use

you could be using Azure you will be using Azure you will be using power platform you use power platform you're using M365 you're using a so it's all over linked rather than isolated which I love about uh this setup I mean it's the case with me I am not and then tears in the eyes since July I'm not um I'm not the Microsoft 365 MVP anymore because and it was only fair I was not I have not been doing actively in that face except as a very advanced user or let's put it way or I did a small uh few web

parts M365 uh web parts for our basically team uh start page which we call our mini internet for the company uh I have not been really actively working that space for the past three or four years and I just felt like being taking somebody's place then again past two years technically technologically speaking I spent all in AI and that was the only logical basically the only logical move the only logical step that uh I had to take but then again I wouldn't miss the M365 topics >> yep which is combining also the AI and

Azure and power platform that's again that's the thing it's all yeah it's all part of the bigger story so >> so we agree that we liked it right >> yes we did we did >> long story short that was a really long story that to question number one. Let me go to the question. >> No, it was that was >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. >> That was actually the question. Uh listen, we I see now we are half an hour and we will try to keep those uh those webinars around half an hour. Uh so um

Bes, I'm going to see you in few weeks, right? Uh in uh Germany. >> Two weeks. Is it already in two weeks? >> Few. Okay. >> For a second there within few weeks, yes, definitely we will uh we'll be selecting the sessions uh for ECS 2026. Uh so within Germany so luckily obviously flying inside of and traveling inside of Europe is like a one pop here and there. So it's really easy nowadays which is great. >> Heli Frankffort is simple enough. Uh that's that's basically and

except the trains because I messed it last time as well when I was driving. So you know jump on that train that train and I can't read that's I can't help different story. >> There's an inside story inside story from the last year people was literally jumping from one train to another like in those movie scenes uh you see train passing and Besco running after it and stepping with the last jump basically. >> Mission impossible. Yes, exactly. >> In front of the train.

Yeah. Anyway, >> in front of the train. >> That's like a Superman SP Spider-Man >> mission mission impossible thing, you know. So, anyway, but yeah, so that we will be seeing in in a few weeks and doing the final selection and within and that also means that that before end of this year all of the selections for speakers and everything else will be public, right? >> Yeah. Yes, we are we are actually three three weeks uh late in in in comparison to the last year but as uh as we

mentioned that really was a due of trying to put everybody together in the same room which which did did show challenging uh this year due to fill in calendars of everybody on that note and I can imagine that that's an intriguing question to everybody listening and considering coming to ECS you're saying that you're selecting s sessions already now for an event that will be next year in May. >> That's like eight LLM models away >> truth. But >> how do you how like how do you deal with

that? How do you ask people to submit something where you've got no way to predict what's going to be in May and what's going to be the relevant thing then? >> I got a count. How do you expect people to decide to attend the conference where they don't not know the program. >> Yes. >> Yes. But at the end of the day, if if you buy, you want to have the latest. >> You want you want to come to the event. It's like it's going to be >> I leave this to Vesco. I think Vesco can

answer this better. >> I I I would say obviously in the session titles, you're not going to say JPT 4.3 or 3.1 uh is the title of it. No, no. you kind of focus on the latest on LLMs or AI innovation within a Microsoft 365 and then you evolve that session based on the latest capabilities because that's also part of the process. Um it's not that uh as part of this conference we're asking people to lock down their sessions within two weeks before the session adjusting >> the end of the next week.

Yeah. But but the reality is that any presentation evolves to the moment and that second you start presenting that um we know that uh from our past presentation uh sessions as well. So, so you basically on the previous day and this happens all the time within the industry especially now with the age of AI that something new comes out and then you adjust that either on the pre presentation or within your talk track uh when you actually do things but the core theme of the session remains the

same because most likely you're not going to use the high words within the title or in the description. Of course, you can adjust those as well if needed. Uh >> but of course there are exceptions that when something really big is announced in the meantime >> uh we have Ignite coming. I mean obviously those are the things that uh happened. For example, uh we had for our knockoff conference on um in Sara uh that we was pulled in Adriatics summit um just after we uh and one of the four

tracks is AI obviously and just after we published a program which I thought was awesome Microsoft had announced agent framework. >> Yes. >> Five days after that guess what not a single session about agent framework because well >> wasn't even announced. >> Wasn't even announced. Yes. >> So this is this is the this is the moment where Mustafa picks up phone and calls Lee and say says I need sessions on Asian framework and where Lee says yep we'll deal with that. So there is

yes how many do I need to deliver? Yes, we have >> pretty much. So, no uh we took care of that uh as well. But this is not this is more of an exception than of a rule because uh for example, you all remember when uh SharePoint spaces have been announced and we all jump to have like 20 SharePoint spaces sessions immediately after that. >> Yeah. >> Now face BX and space. I just did this. I just did this for those two. >> But that was 2018. It was quite a long time ago. So um so

and we learned from there. Um so chapon spaces was a good experiment. So >> good. >> So there are two things to that like what what you said is first of all there are certain people that we can ask to deliver certain topics if you if you consider them missing. But you also need to remember that we are doing this in partnership with Microsoft >> which add additional sessions that are kind of like in line with what is the hottest and newest things. So these sessions will not be announced

immediately. These sessions will be added at a later date and that will also cover certain topics that are not >> they're not actually existing at at the time when we selected this. They do announce Microsoft sessions like after maybe two months before event or one even one month before >> but then people there there will be 10 more Microsoft sessions which will be filled in accordingly to to uh what what happens what happens right now or I mean from the last year then I promise you

we're finishing uh from last year I actually wanted to have a session which I didn't want to deliver personally because I never speak at ECS because it's too too many logistical issues and that was session mistral on the French European AI model >> and then like I won this session I can't deliver it and then doing the rounds and then Mustafa came idea let's ask Jussi the third F in the game it's like we're talking only about Finn's uh in today's show and since I know that Jussi also does uh

this is yeah why not and he believer it was it was it was a stage session in the expo. >> Yep. >> I passed there. He had a full house there. People were hanging from those hanging from the rigging points uh to hear him and he was being juicy obviously again. So uh he was really good. So yeah >> that's how we fix the agenda or adjustant. Um and then hopefully we have a lot of people joining from Microsoft like we typically do. uh or or then somebody needs to step in and do quite a

few sessions that can happen but um it it still will fill in those sessions based on the latest and capabilities for sure and adjustments always happen. Life happens and we adjust. I think that's the main thing. >> That's that's the fair that's fair assessment. Okay. Famous famous last words. >> We are back. We are back on the road to ECF. You will be hearing from us >> more often in the coming weeks and months. So stay tuned and if there are any aspects of the event, organization,

program, >> ping us, >> community, speakers, whatever you want to hear from us, let let us know. I guess there is there is a way to contact us. >> I assume I don't know what it is top of my head. >> Those four people >> I think it's true internet. Uh so I'm guessing >> yeah somewhere. >> Yeah, somewhere internet it will be easy. Especially those four people. I mean Yeah, we might be on a social network near you. >> We are being if you're being a social on

a social network and whatever. >> Yes. >> On that optimistic note. >> On that optimistic note. >> No, no, no. But I I just recapping there and I have to say but but please please please for everybody who's watching listening uh whatever is the format you're choosing to do uh the if there's content ideas if there's people you want to see in this show um and just let us know I can help on channeling the feedback as well but contact and Mustafa um there's a there's lot of ideas and

plans for this show to continue and obviously even more awesome plans for ECS 2026 in >> Cologne uh Germany in 5th to 7th of May. I couldn't remember that yet. I will remember that pretty soon. So, hope see hopefully we'll break the 3,000 attendees for sure and then hopefully see most of the all of the people watching this and and even more at Colon. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you all. See you. >> Thank you. >> Cheers. Bye. Bye.