Transcript: The Road to ECS - S1 E6: Heather Cook

Okay, well, you guys are live. There we go. Hey, everybody, and welcome to The Road to ECS, episode number six. We are back. And we're back with a new guest. Not Otter, then. Hedder Kuk. Hedder, good morning. Hello, good morning, and good afternoon to you. Yeah. Yeah. Very excited to be here. Thanks for having me. So yay. Definitely. Like we'll bring the energy. You are on the morning on your, and we are late in the afternoon hour and trying to, you know, like bring the last remnants of the energy for the day. I'm excited to have you here again. Like you've been, a part of the ECS journey for a long time. I don't know if from the very beginning, but Addis, can I... I stopped counting people. Heather was with us in different roles. She was speaker, she was keynote speaker, she was community reporter, she was... All the time she was friend. So all the other roles are still back and forth, but. Yeah. I've worn a lot of hats. I have every hat from ECS maybe, I think at some point and also at Microsoft, right? I've been inside of Microsoft as a full-time employee, community member, MVP. It's been about twenty four years. So a moisturizer, fellas. It doesn't show. It definitely does not. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, no, I've been a big fan of this show and these shows for a long time, Collab and Cloud and now Biz Apps. I mean, holy expansion, Batman, you know. Like, how cool. We had this topic yesterday. At some point in time, we realized that Microsoft's three-sixty-five content and Power Platform content start taking the air out of each other. There was not enough space. We have only as much sessions. How much do you assign to Power Platform? How much do you pay for Microsoft's three-sixty-five? One million. Yeah. Which speakers do you decline for that? That's when it starts to hurt. Sure. Yeah. And that's where he said, okay, forget it. Let's just make a third show that actually Power Platform gets the attention. Do we know what just happened? No idea what just happened. Anto, what is this my brother?

And we're back. Are we back? We are back. I imagine we're going to repeat the last sentence. So yeah, the reason is where it really starts to hurt is when you start actually deciding which speakers you want to decline. And this is where we said, okay, it's not fair to both of those big workflows within Microsoft. And we basically want to keep the space for Microsoft Office and for Windows. but also but also for power platform part of what it is we had yesterday actually power platform people in our show yeah and i'm going to ask you something keller have you been aware of that you just came up with that yesterday during the show ten years since powerups is it yeah i bet i'm not joking okay yeah that doesn't surprise me um wow but you blink and things happen right wow Ten years ago, or it feels ten minutes ago, we were in that room, and CJ was announcing that Fossil is dead, forms of SharePoint lists. Oh, my gosh. And we have something called Power Apps. Wow. Shout out to Chris Johnson. So, geez. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. This is how yours go. Mm hmm. Yeah, that kind of blows my mind. Yeah. Well, and, you know, SharePoint celebrates twenty five years next year. You know, that's that'll be a big milestone. We're in Microsoft's fiftieth year this year, you know, so there's a lot of big milestones that are happening right now, for sure. Yeah. We actually now Mustafa, when was the fancied SharePoint birthday that we celebrated in our space? Oh, two days ago, right? Five years ago. It was five years ago. I can imagine. I literally installed Altspace PR on Jeff's machine so that he can join. I'm not joking. This is what happened. That's awesome. Yeah. Jeff's always, Jeff Teeper, we're talking about folks, but like, yeah, he's always keen to do all kinds of things. You know, he loves the community so much and, you know, he's like, you know, sign me up coach, you know? So I really, I've always loved that about him. He's very, very much what you want to put what, where, all right, that sounds cool. You know, I've always appreciated him for that. All of the fun, creative ideas we have. So talking about all of that community and everything, Heather. Yeah. It might be very clear and very apparent to Mustafa, Valdek, and me, but for everybody else, the work you are doing right now in Microsoft. Let's talk about that a bit more. What's your role? Sure. What are you doing on a daily basis except of helping us and being with us? There are other things around there. Another email from Alice. Asking stuff. That guy again. again with you guys yeah um thank you yeah yeah um so uh we'll call it to be official my charter if you will um so i've been Back at Microsoft as a full-time employee, it'll be, I think, five years, just over five years, which, again, a blink for me. But I've been in and around Microsoft, this ecosystem, for about twenty-four years. Started in two thousand and one when SharePoint was still called Tahoe, and there were eight people on the marketing team. So super fun, small group of people doing this stuff. Through, you know, through the last, I don't know, twenty four years, I've been a Microsoft MVP in the and it was, you know, back in the day it was Office three sixty five space. I had a software business. I've had my own consulting business. And then during the pandemic, Um, you know, I was running around the world doing, um, workshops and at events and all of that, had myself set up in twenty nineteen. I did twenty eight events. I was all over the world in many countries, set myself up for twenty twenty. Right. Um, and so, yeah. And so actually Caruana Gatimu, who is now is my manager now. called me up and said, hey, we're going to take all of these events and go from physical to digital. Can you come help? And I said, of course. And so I did that. And then Donna Sarkar called me and said, hey, there's this Power Platform community. You should come work on this. And I was like, okay. And so I interviewed, got the job. So I was working for Charles LaManna, CVP of Power Platform for about three and a half years. working on really building that community. It felt so much like SharePoint in the beginning. That community was still very young in its infancy. The words power and platform did not really come together until actually, talking about anniversaries of stuff. Worked with that team, created the Power Platform Conference, worked with you-all on the Power Platform tracks and stuff during your shows, all of that. Actually, this week, I went back home, if you will, to SharePoint and M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M. and Adam Harmitz. And so my job is community engagement and event strategy for all of them, and mostly in the community space. And then I help bring community into like Ignite and Build and that sort of thing. So I work on our strategy, engagement, and then I also help run our Microsoft Global Community Initiative, which we talk about in our communitydays.org site as well. On a daily basis, I get up at seven AM and talk to the MGCI board like I did this morning because there's some folks in Europe. I do beautiful podcasts and videos with event producers like you. I'm helping figure out what events we can participate in, helping get speakers from Microsoft into events. I put out a lot of social media and blogs, and I try and make sure to repost things so that there's awareness and information going out from our Microsoft community, LinkedIn, our YouTube channel. I work a lot with Vescu, a lot with Vesa on the developer side of things that he's doing. Then I run an internal Microsoft Community Council. We have that meeting today. We've got four people internally at Microsoft who work on community. full-time who come together and we do. Today I'm having an update on one of our NDA events and also what's coming up for Microsoft Build. That's in a nutshell what I do and I try to get my steps in every day too if I can. . Is that why, like, back on your shelf, you have, like, three phones. You have the black line, the red line, and the white line. Yes. Exactly. You know, the hotline for the thing, for the upcoming event. Yes. This one goes to Jeff. This one goes to Kevin. Exactly. This one goes to Kevin. There's one up there, too. Yeah. I love analog stuff. You know, I really, I have an affinity. I love a rotary phone. I've got my sports yellow Walkman up there somewhere too. Like I just, you know, like you have guitars and I have the kind of like what I grew up with in the eighties, you know, so. Radio, TV, typing machine. Yes. There's a radio right there. Yeah. I can imagine you've got one somewhere. Yeah. Actually there's a typewriter and under one. Yeah. There you go. Typewriter. Yep. So you see. Modem. Um, yeah they have a model where you can dial up the internet i'm going to swing the story just shortly on this more serious side of stories during the fires in la area uh actually it was heather's facebook feed that i was keeping uh that was keeping me informed about what is going on there and i was i was uh following that because i knew that you were like two hundred meters, a few kilometers away from the evacuation area. So that you guys are in a very dangerous zone, if I may say. Mm hmm. So this is where I because I've got friends and family around in around L.A. I was trying to keep by where everybody is and some of the people who I knew really lost homes. Yeah. Is it getting any better now? How is how it looks like around where you are right now? Thank you for asking about that. Yes, and it's a lot of people going back and just literally sifting through to figure out if there's anything there. But yeah, we got some rain over the last little while so that kind of helped with that and it's like you want rain but not too much because then mudslides happen it's like you know um but the biggest thing for me is watching the the just the the community that people have been amazing you know the outpouring of help and clothing and supplies and money and everything you know volunteering has not stopped We'd stopped in and we did meals this last weekend for ninety minutes. We ended up doing fifteen thousand meals. So many people showed up and we were like doing it like a line of like, you know, like it was unbelievable. So, you know, it will take years, you know, to for people to figure out what they're going to do. It's similar to Lahaina in Maui, which a place I love and I lived You know, I've been there recently and same thing, you know, like just the clearing out of the materials took them about eighteen, fourteen months. So, you know, it'll take a while just to start clearing, you know, but I do believe that people are helping each other. People are leaning in and that's always just beautiful to see. So it'll take a while and it's devastating and But, you know, that's you figure out how you bounce back from those things and you make different choices and you you figure it out. You know, that's that's actually because we have for everybody who don't know. I mean, people see the website of these years. By the way, the next week we are getting going out with totally new websites for all. Oh, yeah, we love it. We love it. So people are looking at our websites. They see forty Microsoft speakers. It's all great. uh what people don't know that good part now is thinking about two ecs of those speakers i mean we have two groups of micro speakers micro speakers which uh submit uh their session normal call don't call them and uh then there are people who are with us who they weren't planning contact like certain mr mastercast from from netherlands let's say let's let's let's or vesco you just mentioned him or least thought or people like that and then there is um people who are coming through Microsoft, through PGs. Right now, we are working with three. We are working with Microsoft, with Power Platform, and with the Cloud Advocates group around Listot. Heather is actually the one coordinating those efforts and organizing those meetings. Thank you, Heather, for this one. Just sheer proximity of what happened was clear to me the moment when you wrote in the Teams chat, we are packed to go. And at the same time, we have this coordination team meeting. This was a very intense moment for everyone in that call. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think for us, there's a term that I never heard before called ember cast, meaning an ember casts out from the fire. So that was what was so worrisome. I mean, obviously, Pacific Palisades and Altadena and Pasadena, those were just almost immediate. But it was the winds. We had type two hurricane winds of a hundred to ninety, a hundred miles an hour happening. So if you think of one small ember getting picked up and You know, so I'm about seven miles from Pacific Palisades. And so we had things catching on fire, like palm trees and different things catching on fire. I mean, they were pretty diligent and this is mostly concrete and stuff, but Santa Monica was super close, is super close right there. And people were, you know, that was actually, they were evacuated. It would have taken a lot potentially to get to where I am. But, you know, like if you're told to evacuate, you need to go, you know. So, you know, so we did. Yeah, we packed in and we have go bags anyway because of earthquakes. I mean, if you live in Los Angeles, you should have that because that's a reality as well, but yeah, I kind of was like, what am I going to do? It was like, I, you know, it was like, it was better to be with people and have a meeting and be ready, but also, you know, so yeah, I don't know. And writing those, updates was something i felt like i could do um and i didn't realize it until like what you just said was like in second the second or third day of it i had a couple people reach out to me and be like thank you because my aunt lives there or so and so lives there and we don't you know you only get so much on national news and so um that made me feel good that i can actually even less believe me yeah yeah anyway let's yeah i mean i just wanted to touch that topic yeah yeah somehow uh those meetings I don't want to be the one talking about that. Can you tell us in a few minutes, in a few words, coordination work that you are doing, that we are doing with Lee, with Wim, with Esu, with everyone in that board? sure yeah absolutely i mean it's wonderful to get to like we well it's interesting because you know we've known each other for such a long time all of you frankly you know and you know many different iterations of things but um being you know at the end of the day when people like what do you do i'm a producer you know i produce things you know like you all are as well you know i produce I don't know, projects, experiences, programs, events. So like I see myself as that because I was a theater major that really like calls to my heart because I love putting on a show, you know? And then I also have the other side of me that I'm a performer, right? So I'm a speaker, I'm on stage, I host, I do that stuff too. So I have kind of had that dual, brain, I guess. But on the production side, and that is what I love is being able to go across our divisions at Microsoft and work on these events and say to, you know, working with, you know, Wim and Stephanie on the power platform side and re on the data side, and her team, and then on us from Microsoft, or the AI team and cloud with Lee and April Dunham and all of those folks. I a lot of the time, and it's my why to spread joy and connect people. The connect people part for me is going, okay, we're going to talk about this. What are we doing? What's going on with this show? This event's coming up. We're working with organizers. What do the sessions look like? How are we going to show up? What's the community plan for it? What kind of stickers are we going to get? All of those things that are important. I get to work with producers like you who not only put on these great events and you have for over, you know, over decades, but you also started run events, which helps people organize as well. So I've got kind of dual inputs into what you do working with you on the production of a show when Microsoft is, you know, a community sponsor or a sponsor in some way. And then also from that, communitydays.org, the one-stop shop website for all Microsoft community events, where you're working with us on backend APIs to pull in the speakers and who's doing what from run into communitydays.org, as well as working with collab days, which you're a part of and pulling that information in. So it's this wild combination of working with you on one event to produce it for the best experience for our attendees, our community. Right. And then also these wonderful tools that are being built by companies like you all to help people do what they do, putting on one day free events as opposed to this event where it's like the full week where somebody pays to be there and there's a gazillion tracks and you do a great event party and all of that stuff. So it all I don't know. I mean, I, I sometimes say like that, you know, the chess board up here is what I look at a lot of times and I'm like, okay, how does this fit together? You know? So to me, it's the event production piece of it. That's super fun. Then pulling in the community aspect of it with MGCI and all of our board and our regional leads. And then the community is that org of where we push out information and through LinkedIn and stuff. So it's all fun. I don't know. I keep track of it, you know, up here, but also with a lot of tools. Just to add to what you are saying, we had in episode three, we had Amit Schwarzenberg, who is a CTO in Maya for Microsoft for Startups. And he was going to be one of our speakers. Amit is a great guy. Yeah, yeah. And he was talking about it. I was like, and he was totally praising run events, how it was all so easy for him. I was like, Amit, are you aware that run events was from the very beginning part of the Microsoft for Startups program? You should just see his face like, what? I didn't know that. That was awesome. How the circles close at some point of time. Oh, totally. Yeah. Well, there's a lot going on and a million things happening. And sometimes looking backwards, too, to connect your history to your future doesn't always happen. And I love that when that happens. That's so cool. I didn't know that either, frankly. So, yeah. Mustafa, you are silent today, but I have been contemplating the current state of affairs. The whole last week he was with Ahmed and me, Ahmed Najjar and me, putting the schedule together. We are going to publish together with the new sites and everything. And, yeah, this week, luckily, it's weekend tomorrow. Monday and Tuesday are always kind of crazy with us in the company. So I guess Mustafa is quite exhausted right now. That's true. And these two were even crazier because I was focused on something else the entire last week. So the pile that kind of ambushed me when I got back was amazing. So I'm also thinking about, oh, I'm going to be a bad guy and start bugging Heather about the speakers I need to get from her. No, you should. Absolutely. Because I'm bugging people about that, too. I think I should. Yeah. Where is it? We have a meeting. I don't know if it, I think it's tomorrow. Actually, it's tomorrow morning where I'm bugging everybody about your session. So it's tomorrow at eight thirty. I didn't want to go there. What I actually wanted to say, when we put the sessions. Yeah. So because it's really, we've got like a seventy five inch TV in the office. So when you put like, where you can see basically twelve slots, twelve tracks in parallel. And then you see all those names in parallel, and then it's really difficult to put together. It's like, I don't want to put Valdek and Vescu together in the same slot. To compete against each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same room. Yeah, but I think, Mustafa, it was never as difficult to put the schedule together due to the number of the awesome names. I think we have never had a better program than this year. I really think so. That's awesome. I was very happy with the last year, but this is like, I guess it's getting even better. Like just remember it's not finalized yet. There are still sessions to come in. We wait for another twelve names from Microsoft, from Microsoft and from the From the PowerPoint and waiting for two more keynote speakers announced by Microsoft, which is going to happen in the next days. But even as it is right now, this is impressive. I mean, this really is. Yeah. You always get amazing speakers. You really do. I mean, I think you get amazing speakers who've been around for a long time, like names that people know, right? And I was talking to somebody about... this the other day, I was talking about how consistency is important. Actually, I picked that as my word of the year for twenty twenty five. I don't do resolutions. I do a word of the year and consistency was mine. And I think that we rely on certain things in our lives as humans. Right. And we make choices based on like, I know I'm going to go say back to this restaurant because I know the food is good. I know I'm going to have a good time. The owner always treats us really well. La la la. It's the same thing with events. You choose to or a vacation place or whatever, right? You choose to go back because you know how you're going to be treated. You know that the sessions are going to be awesome. You know that the parties are going to be great. You know you're going to get great swag. you know, all of those things, those things are important. And the consistency of that is super important too, because that makes people come back and be a repeat customer. And that creates rabid fandom, right? Like, and you all have that recipe and you run the recipe, but then you're like, you know what? The recipe is groovy, but I'm going to add something this time. You always do that. And I, as an event producer, love that. And I've always tried to do that with the events that I worked on when I did Microsoft Event Planning too. I was like, well, this year, let's do blah. So I think what I really like about what you all do is that you're consistent. and you then add on to, like you bake a really nice cake and then you add another cool layer to it. I think you do that. One thing which is important for me personally, and I think I can speak for Mustafa, and I pretty much know that Valdek would be on the same side, is that we don't become like the old country club, where everybody knows everybody, we meet once a year, and we have good time. That's wrong. So we try. I mean, there's a hard goal, but there's always kind of initiative. Let's have thirty percent of the new people. Oh, yeah. Yeah. At least at least new for us. Maybe before or totally new. So what happens the other day is. we work as you know the part of team we work a lot with uh with the uh with the lighting tools team around brett lonsdale uh these people very much brett is sending me a tick tock video of our speaker from Germany. She's our first time speaker. What I did not know, it's her first time speaking all together. We didn't know her. She's not an MVP. She's not a community name. She had an awesome session. Okay, cool. She had a good submission. She had an awesome session and everybody was like, yep, this looks good. She's in. That's so great. And then she makes a TikTok video where she's like, I know that people are trying for years to do this. And they, uh, the first time you had a good session. Yeah. Really good abstract. There is nothing. Maybe this is a good place to kind of like break a couple of minutes around being selected to ECS. Because there's always like those, and I kind of encourage them as well, that there are those lists and whatnot. It's really, there are two sides of it. You really, really need the good submissions. And you really need it because there's a lot of competition. We always receive over a thousand sessions. And it's really difficult task for our content team to actually decide which eighty get to go right it's like it's impossible right it's it's it's less than ten percent of really amazing sessions but it all comes down to two content uh as another said we always try to include like look from different angles like is is there diversity no to it like yep are everyone represented in there uh how many new speakers are getting just because let's face it we've been in community like four of us been community forever right but someone had to give us a chance at some point oh yeah someone needed to say okay you you you could maybe go out and speak to at this event and i think it's very important for us to do the same thing right uh so But it comes down to that, that you really need a good submission. And there's no, like, you're not being selected because I don't like your hair or whatever. It's just a thing of, it's a tough competition and there's a very difficult, like, decisions for our content team to be made and to select who gets it. This particular session was very technical, but it doesn't even have to be technical sessions. We have a lot of sessions which are revolving around Adoption, philosophy, guidance, best practices. Yeah, career, all of that. Of course, we also have a lot of tech sessions. Yeah, for sure. That's part of it. What we are trying to do, we have had a bit more of soft skill sessions this year, but we are putting them all in the main stage of the expo this time. Because we think that this is where they actually belong. Sure. And we saw that the reaction the last year, you have been there, Heather. You have seen the reaction last year on those panels and the sessions which kept happening on the main stage. We want to actually expand that. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think that's awesome. And I think, you know, Mustafa, back to what you were saying, too, is that you're like, I think that's also something that you also are consistent about. You have always brought in a percentage of brand new speakers. You've always concentrated on diversity in speakers as well. And so to me, that's some consistency that you bring to the table as well that I appreciate and that I appreciate. i i think i know that microsoft appreciates too you know because we we speak for microsoft try to do that as well and i think that's really cool so and yeah i love the expo um that stage i think it's a great state i think and it is a main stage it's just in a different spot than the breakout sessions you know like so i love that and how you decorate it and everything is super cool too you need to see this big action this year big action will be put on You need to see it this year. This year, that's actually... It's going to be really central to me. Sessions are awesome. Expo is awesome. I love it. You're like... About speaker, one thing which is also for me that sometimes I put myself a task to get speakers back who have not been there for different reasons, might be personal or whatever, for two years, to get them back. And this was one of those years. Valdek, you know who is coming back. You will remember the name. former ex former MVP because she isn't the man from France, Joel. I was trying to get her in the sessions for five, six years now. She will be here with us this year. That's awesome. She's totally awesome. That's very cool. Yeah. I just I love that. And that's what this is about. Belonging to something bigger than yourself. right? And making those connections. And that's amazing, you know, that you're like, this person, you know, is awesome. And I want to get them back. Like, that's, that's super cool. I love that at us. I think that's really neat. So yeah, I'm excited. I think totally looking forward to this one. Yeah, it's going to be a great event. And, you know, I think, One, I owe you a few things. Speaking of being a producer, one of the biggest things I do, my middle name should be Chase, really. Because what I do a lot of is chase people. But I'm good at it. So that's okay, you know, but yeah. But yeah, I'm looking at what's coming up and just looking at what's coming out from the product teams and everything. I'm really excited about what we're, as Microsoft, going to bring to the table and love working with you all on this and working with you as community members with our initiative and just really excited about the world. The world is always ever changing and there's a lot going on. for everybody. And so I think community helps us stay connected and, you know, make sure that we all don't feel so alone. And so I really, I, I, I love being able to get up every day and, and do that, you know, and work with, with you all. So I just very, very appreciative and grateful. Thank you. Thank you. No, this is, I'm, I'm, I'm totally, totally looking, uh, forward to all, uh, to all of this and, um, Actually, not because he's here right now. My conversations with Valdek in the past one or two years made me seeing some things through his eyes, which made me, then again, appreciate what we do from a bit of a different angle. And Vivaldi, he will never know how much thankful I am to you for that. Not only for that, but definitely to a great deal. What is that, Adas? Do you want to share that? Like, what do you mean? Well, I would like, I would prefer... Or what can you say? He shares what he wants to share. I mean, Valdex, for a long time, in this conference, a few years, he couldn't have been, but we have been in touch all the time. And there are a few points of view I got from him which made me appreciate a lot of things from different points of view. All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. Valdex, you're a changemaker. He is. I'm here the whole week. I'm here the whole week. He might not know that, but he is. I need to confirm this, like what Adi said, since he wasn't with us for a while, but then he got included and tried to help us in many different ways. And this energy he brings is like really, really, really amazing. And he really, really, really helps us in a lot of ways. Yeah, that's true. You are amazing. Whatever that means, right? For the good and the bad. the good in this time. I told you often enough the bad things as well. So you know me from that side. Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe fresh eyes right yeah fresh eyes coming in and you know i feel like we grow like we i love being you know told the positive things too and sometimes i don't know if this is part of it but i appreciate i hate that the word feedback is now seen as negative you know feedback is both i think but a lot of people equate it to the negative right and You can't grow unless you're hearing everything, right, and changing the things that aren't working and all of that. So maybe you're good on the feedback. Well, but it's both. And let's make this like the last thing we say because we're going long and people are already, you know, left eating popcorn or whatever. But like to say the last thing, I think somebody told me a while back, right that you only get like the negative thick uh co constructive uh feedback if you like from those folks who who care yeah because they care enough to tell you that like like you know like it's so easy to you know give somebody a compliment in a way like say something like you know flattering or something like right yeah like without any meaning to it and there's nothing for the person to learn from yeah whereas like it's only a true person who genuinely cares about you that hey Yeah. How about you look at it from another point? It is also a part of our Western culture to... Because there's always so little time and you want to say things and when you speak about something, you focus on negative in order to improve. There is sometimes damn important just to say... you're doing God's work, keep going. And this is sometimes really important. It is, because it takes a lot of goods to rent it. It should be like that, but it should be acknowledged when it's happening as well. All the deep philosophical note. How about we wrap it up before we... I just wanted to wrap it up with a small anecdote. When did I first in my life see Baldeck and where it happened? It was in Perls. You will all know that locale in Bellevue. I'm entering the Perls, freshman MVP, so it was in the year, and I see one crazy South African shouting over the button to some dude sitting on the other corner inga and then somebody introduced me to valdec that was literally fifteen years ago and around history yes here we are and here we are yeah Giving each other the great feedback all around because we care. Exactly. Exactly that. Folks, thank you so much for another great episode. Thank you very much. Keep doing God's work. Thank you. Appreciate you all so much. See you in this love. All of you. Thank you, folks. Cheers.